What did we learn about competitors in the 13th week of the NFL?


sara.ziegler (Sara Ziegler, Sports Editor): Week 13 had a bit of every thing: clashes between Division Chiefs, extravagant disillusions and one other Chargers tear. A kicker caught a landing … thrown by a punter! What extra might we ask for?

Let's begin with the largest shock of the week for me: Philadelphia, who might have returned with a win at the head of the NFC East with a win, marched in Miami and yielded 37 factors to Ryan Fitzpatrick and Co.

joshua.hermsmeyer (Josh Hermsmeyer, NFL analyst): Philly was confused by the confused nightmare.

The @Dolphins lined up with striker Matt Haack in the quarterback and kicker Jason Sanders tied for 4th with the FG unit on the floor – Haack & Sanders is related for a 1 yard landing.

Dolphins had heart Daniel Kilgore in the subject, NOT a protracted snapper Taybor Pepper. # PHIvsMIA | #FinsUp pic.twitter.com/GFaPYqOOyh

– Next Generation Statistics (@NextGenStats) December 1, 2019

Salfino (Michael Salfino, contributor to FiveThirtyEight): I all the time combat after I suppose {that a} workforce has utterly remodeled a unit in season. I understood that the Eagles had vastly improved their protection system in comparison with their issues early in the season. But this workforce has all the time been the weakest in the defensive backfield, so even recovering gamers has not solved the downside, of course, since Fitzpatrick – who has now performed the Eagles seven instances with seven totally different groups – simply ripped them .

Gfoster (Geoff Foster, contributor to FiveThirtyEight): Some good NFL members have predicted that the Eagles would win the NFC this 12 months as a result of of the expertise of their workforce, one of the most costly in the league. I believe earlier this season it was simple to cancel these losses as a result of of their accidents to the receiver and their protection. But now, is it time to confess that this workforce is simply not so good?

joshua.hermsmeyer: I do not likely know what to do with the Eagles from begin to end this season. They have simply given a $ 21.eight million five-year contract to Jake Elliott, who occupies the most replaceable soccer place besides the half-back.

sara.ziegler: Of course, you make enjoyable of an enormous kicker contract, till the Cowboys set up kicker trials on a Sunday in December …

gfoster: Look what Fitzpatrick did for this protection:

The Dolphins had 18 defensive touchdowns all 12 months.

Their final 5 readers:

84 yards TD
75 yards TD
75 yards TD
61 yards TD
96 yards, TD

– Reuben Frank (@RoobNBCS) on December 1st, 2019

Salfino: They appeared to have the depth to be strengthened in opposition to the typical issues of the season. But I believe we found that even the entrees weren’t so good. And nothing actually resisted attrition in season. Even their teaching did not reply. Can you think about being overwhelmed by a gadget and now play three consecutive video games? It's simply embarrassing.

sara.ziegler: Fitzpatrick isn’t so unhealthy! He is nearly on common in the league in our QB standings.

This makes it much more complicated what Miami is doing this 12 months.

gfoster: This is the ultimate argument in case the NFL tanking doesn’t exist. If the Dolphins actually needed Joe Burrow or Chase Young or whoever in the repechage, they’d merely play Josh Rosen at the quarterback. But with Fitzmagic on the market, they're going to get video games like this, and so they're going to win extra.

joshua.hermsmeyer: I nonetheless argue that the tanking already existed … however possibly the highlight on their supposed tanking brought about them to cease.

I believe the strain put them on!

sara.ziegler: There can also be the argument that Miami is simply unhealthy at tanking.

Salfino: It's like "The producers". If you attempt to be horrible, it isn’t really easy.

sara.ziegler: Hahaha

gfoster: To make clear: I believe you are able to do the tank in the NFL. But you may solely do that by intentionally taking part in a decrease QB. For instance, Ryan Finley on Andy Dalton.

Salfino: But what’s the carrot to tank? It's a newbie out of 22, and we don’t even know if this man is basically the finest participant.

If it's solely a matter of compiling the tough capital, then it's extra binary – be unhealthy irrespective of for those who're the worst or not.

joshua.hermsmeyer: The Bengals have a one-game lead over the New York Giants for first general decide. You should suppose that Cincinnati takes Burrow in the event that they lose. But an attention-grabbing query is: if the Giants get the first general rating, do they remove Burrow or do they negotiate?

Salfino: Geoff, they're simply attempting to make us really feel higher about the Jets …

sara.ziegler: There isn’t any option to really feel higher with the Jets in the present day.

gfoster: I believe they’d attempt to negotiate, and if that did not work, they’d select Chase Young in the entrance row and never really feel so uncomfortable.

Salfino: I'm going to eat 1,000 bugs if the Giants write Burrow. Plus, Burrow is previous for a prospect. I’m not very assured with all QB prospects translating as anticipated however even decrease with older prospects. Burrow ought to be dominant relying on his age.

joshua.hermsmeyer: I believe it might be fairly humorous if Giants General Manager Dave Gettleman did not commerce and take earnings, simply to remain cussed.

Salfino: I'd identical to to take Young, interval. No matter what workforce I used to be.

Will Burrow have extra capital again than Young? I’m unsure about it. And there can be loads of previous QB on the market that groups suppose they’ll rehabilitate. It can be like musical chairs.

gfoster: Burrow can be part of a protracted lineage of QU LSU to dominate the NFL, names reminiscent of … JaMarcus Russell, Matt Flynn, Zach Mettenberger.

sara.ziegler: Hey, Flynn was a dominant backup.

Salfino: You can by no means take off Flynn's six TD recreation. He monetized this sucker.

gfoster: This is about the victory of the Bengals: it was not so unhealthy. They had been solely canines at 2.5 factors. No workforce in the NFL is so unhealthy. In addition, the Jets are deeply unusual. I’m this workforce carefully and I nonetheless don’t perceive it.

sara.ziegler: Please, sure, taking "this loss was good".

Salfino: Ha ha ha

joshua.hermsmeyer: Apparently, based on Elias sports activities bureau, the Jets are the first workforce to lose in opposition to groups of Zero to 7 or much less arriving in a recreation. It's a wierd option to say that you just gave their first win to the dolphins and the Bengals, however right here we are.

Salfino: The Jets did not have any coaching in the pink zone in opposition to one of the worst defenses of the NFL. Not a snap of your fingers!

I'm unsure the Jets can beat the 1976 Buccaneers for the second.

gfoster: The second time I heard about Dalton, I knew that the Jets had no likelihood. I knew that he would come again motivated and look to tweak his resume. He additionally handed Ken Anderson for many of TD's passes in Cincy's historical past. Which is humorous, as a result of does that imply that the Bengals would stick with him the relaxation of the 12 months when he was solely a shy of this report?

Salfino: Benching Dalton was a system developed to protect the reminiscence of Ken Anderson.

gfoster: Dalton can be actually sturdy with the Bears 2020.

sara.ziegler: OMG

joshua.hermsmeyer: Geoff has seen the future and it's darkish.

sara.ziegler: That's the future I need.

Salfino: Dalton is one of these veterinarians that groups are going to show to this lifeless season: Dalton, Derek Carr, Marcus Mariota, Jameis Winston … (Although he could also be staying now?)

sara.ziegler: It's all the time unusual that newcomers turn into has-beens.

gfoster: Ryan Tannehill doesn’t make Mariota look good in Tennessee.

joshua.hermsmeyer: The highs of Winston are too excessive to let him go, I believe.

Salfino: But Winston is what he’s now. It won’t ever be adequate. He won’t cease throwing spikes and being fired.

joshua.hermsmeyer: But for those who simply attempt to keep away from interceptions, you'll find yourself turning into Aaron Rodgers after 2015.

Salfino: I agree that there’s a super INT price, and that it isn’t equal to 0%. But Winston makes too many errors, interval.

joshua.hermsmeyer: What occurred to like the bandit, Salfino?

Salfino: No gunshots throughout the first assessments and in the pink zone.

sara.ziegler: Words to dwell by.

joshua.hermsmeyer: This lack of respect in direction of the archetype of Joe Namath is why the Jets have misplaced, tbh.

Salfino: Namath's INT price throughout his heyday at the AFL was under common for his time, BTW.

Back to Tannehill: He was sacked 24 instances in 200 assists, which is ABSOLUTELY unhealthy. It is once more proof that the luggage are primarily a QB statistic. Put it anyplace, and it will likely be dropped at a double-digit price. Jameis additionally has the defect of holding the ball too lengthy.

gfoster: Tannehill leads the league in yards per try. And Derrick Henry is now Jim Brown, apparently.

What's happening?

sara.ziegler: The Titans have gained their final three video games and now have an actual likelihood to play in the playoffs – as much as 42% in our mannequin.

joshua.hermsmeyer: Between Tannehill and Lamar Jackson, I believe the league discovers that the secret of success at QB is taking part in your WR right here. (Tannehill was a WR at the college and a few scouts thought that Lamar would solely succeed in the NFL as a WR.)


Speaking of Lamar … the Baltimore-San Francisco match was extraordinarily entertaining. These two groups are actually enjoyable to observe proper now.

joshua.hermsmeyer: This helps when you might have far more offensive video games to observe as a result of no groups are crafty.

Salfino: Both groups had been simply throwing the ball into the subject. It's so bizarre that's the place we are with the two finest soccer groups.

Gfoster: There had been solely seven data in the second half of this match. And they gave two objectives, two kicks, two turnovers and one fumble.

joshua.hermsmeyer: Killjoy

sara.ziegler: But this finish of the Ravens match was magnificent. Six minutes and 30 seconds to win the match on an funding? Like.

gfoster: It's as if the Ravens' emergency response plan was merely to present Lamar designed leads. AKA, performs like the Ravens 2018.

In addition, Josh, Kicker is probably the most replaceable place of the NFL. But Baltimore having Justin Tucker in the playoffs is an apparent benefit.

joshua.hermsmeyer: Bill Belichick mentioned he was the finest to do it. So, I can’t talk about it.

Salfino: Oh, man. You knew that Tucker made that, even in these circumstances. This man is simply unreal.

Geoff, did not you lose a playoff recreation when Tucker scored 137 objectives in the subject? 🙂

gfoster: I can have.

Salfino: It was one of these 99% victory likelihood losses.

sara.ziegler: I'll take Tucker at the finish of an necessary match … however possibly not at a press convention.

"Big lattice"

– Mark Ingram
– Justin Tucker

(by way of @Ravens) pic.twitter.com/hOdvM6hGG4

– B / R Gridiron (@brgridiron) December 1, 2019

joshua.hermsmeyer: ** go away the cat **

Salfino: Kickers cannot be cool children. They are the rock critics of soccer.

sara.ziegler: LOL

The different nice weekend match I needed to speak about was the Patriots-Texans match on Sunday Night Football.

Salfino: Tom Brady RIP.

sara.ziegler: I dwell for the film "Tom Brady is done".

Salfino: Brady is somebody who generally talks about Tom Brady now. But Belichick dropped him together with his forged of receivers. How massive ought to N'Keal Harry be if he cannot even get to the subject in entrance of this motley crew?

Does this transformation our opinion of Texans? It's odd that nobody appears to have carried out so, with what’s – on paper – a signature victory for them.

sara.ziegler: Texans are laborious to know for me. They have been so utterly dismantled by the Ravens that I’ve a tough time understanding the place they’re at the degree of the good however not the massive groups.

gfoster: This information for Texans is large, if it's true:

sara.ziegler: Whoa, I had not seen him about J.J. Watt.

Salfino: Deshaun Watson did an amazing recreation. If he performs in a construction like this and stops in Watson's informal video games, they’ll defeat Bill O'Brien's coaching. I believe. At least till they play the Ravens.

gfoster: The funniest factor about the NFL is the concern that drives everybody to write down the tales of "Patriots Are Done". We have all lived this manner too usually.

joshua.hermsmeyer: I noticed a floating rumor saying that it was Gronk's greatness that saved Brady afloat for all these years, and possibly there's one thing to be carried out.

Salfino: Well, Rob Gronkowski and Josh Gordon had been intermediate / deep receivers, and now this man from the Patriots is ?????

The Patriots can nonetheless win like the 2015 Broncos with the Ghost of Peyton Manning.

sara.ziegler: The Patriots can nonetheless win like the 2003 Patriots!

Salfino: 🙂

gfoster: I believe the lack of weapons on the outdoors is actual. The working can also be a lot worse this 12 months. All Brady's recreation is to be synchronized together with his receivers and put them in the proper place at the proper time, and you may say they aren’t synchronized at the second. But let Josh McDaniels and the others farewell in the playoffs to work on initiatives, and nobody can be shocked to see them repair these issues.

sara.ziegler: Brady screaming in opposition to his recipients on the sidelines doesn’t clear up every thing?

Someone learn the lips? The solely factor I caught was issues that I cannot sort right here. #Patriots pic.twitter.com/AmzhOFdWcF

– Michael Giardi (@MikeGiardi) on December 2, 2019

joshua.hermsmeyer: It's a poisonous relationship at the second.

Salfino: But I believe it's greater than "outside", though it could be an approximation of the proven fact that nobody is ready to prolong the recreation remotely. Gronk stretches the slot in the seam. But sure, they’re sorely missing in a place that shouldn’t be troublesome to fill.

Regarding Sara, a QB have to be cherished or feared, and Brady has all the time been far more feared than cherished. So it's a personality for him. It's labored.

gfoster: I believe that might actually assist issues, Sara. Are you telling me that Jakobi Meyers and Harry should not spending extra time in the movie show this week to keep away from one other reproach from Brady on nationwide tv? All members of this group appear to stick to the system or be scrapped.

sara.ziegler: Just – I felt unhealthy for these guys and so they weren’t even on the display screen!

Salfino: The Patriots definitely know that QBs should not actually half of the workforce, they’re on high of the workforce. Brady is only a proxy subject coach. Probably in entrance of most coaches too.

sara.ziegler: I'm going to imagine that the Patriots are overwhelmed when Belichick and Brady sit on a seaside someplace throughout the NFL video games, not earlier than.

Salfino: It is reported that the Patriots are pushing to deliver again Antonio Brown.

🎄 pic.twitter.com/BbWzFM8P5e

– AB (@ AB84) December 2, 2019

But then Brown appeared to destroy the chance.

gfoster: "The Patriots players are pushing to bring Antonio Brown" – based on info from Antonio Brown.

Salfino: Brown is a PR nightmare 7 to 11. Open all evening

gfoster: There is just one one that can save the Patriotes offensive proper now:

In case you missed it, Gronk did a present at the Lakers recreation final evening pic.twitter.com/oMuSs8K7AN

– Trainwreck Sports (@TrainwreckSprts) November 20, 2019

joshua.hermsmeyer: 👏

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